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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:39:00 -
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No. Too much advantage for the hunter.
You also make false claims about havung dev support, local not being intended to give tactical info, etc. And you would simply introduce another "must have" skill.
Your "tactics" show how little you understand of higher end PvP as it invites defeat in detail, and your claims that recon is not allready critically important underline this sharply.
The hole is, if anything, in the hideously broken MAP. Not local.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.11 02:03:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 11/01/2006 02:03:12
 Originally by: Rells
Maya regards anything she utters as undisputable fact rather than the opinion it is. Other people have other opinions.
If that recon pilot wants desperateyl to find you, he might do so. That is good. However i doubt many fleets are going to spend 4 hours scanning and searching for a 5 man mining op in an off the beaten track system in 0.0. The pilots in 0.0 have something better to do.
YOU SHOULD NOT GET 100% SAFETY IN 0.0!
Rell regards anything said which is contrary to his very limited experience as de-facto wrong. You might have an opinion. That's fine. What you can't do is base an argument off false postulates and expect people to take it as gospel. You are working with a HIGHLY contested area.
You need to first convince people that change is necessary. You are failing miserably at it.
For a start, the suggestion that you get 100% safety in 0.0 is quite literally retarded.
And you're right. They won't. They'll look for NPC's killed, and for traffic pattens, and ESPECIALLY gank every single target they can at chokepoints. Stop people entering 0.0 and entering "their" space. The entire enclosuraist mindset works that way.
And Kendo, no, it wasn't Rell's idea.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.11 13:29:00 -
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Rell, I can read. That's where I get what has *actually* been posted in the other thread from.
You are linking things and interperting them in a light which blatently favours your position, when others such as j0 have shown that that SI your interpretation, NOT the "clear facts" which you are working with. So, false postulants.
The other thread has a lot of people who have posted opposing the idea. (see: reading).
Your claim that you are 100% safe in 0.0 shows very clearly your bias, and any claim to the contraty just makes you look more absurd. You are NOT 100% ANYWHERE in Evem even the middle of Yulai. This is a long established fact.
And you talk about courage and tenadcity. And yes, even perhaps as many as 500 polits will use them. But thousands more, WITH those characterists will be unable or unwilling to put in the extensive time required to bust through into 0.0 and stay alive there with no local. And there the vast majority of players who are NOT couragous or tenacious, and will not even try.
And you're right on "not going 20 jumps out of their way to find some guy that sneaked into the deepest darkest 0.0 ". Ij fact you're SO right that they WILL spend 23/7 camping chokepoints where they are absolutely utterly guaranteed targets. And then there WILL be roaming alts checking the best systems and belts.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.11 13:53:00 -
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I like the cloaking bubble idea, but I think it's entirely possible to do completely seperately from any local changes.
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"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.11 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kendo Nagis
Well way i see it if we have the cloak no-show in local and the anchroable bubble, then we can forget this "ditch local" debate at least for another 6 months to a year and then see if the proponents of the ditch local opinion still have an issue.
That's why l thought it was relevant. :)
Ah. Well, I'd like to see a number of systems. Covert cloaks which removed people from local. Anchorable POS scramblers which made local unusable. POS scanner units which could sweep out and scan the system they were in, if someone sitting there used them. (the scanner and jammer arrays would have to be OUTSIDE the POS bubble to work :) )
A larger scan range (say 20AU for recon frigates), cloaking bubbles, a seperate set of scan probes which didn't show in local but had different ranges (2.5AU/15AU/30AU) and so on. Diversity, counters and fun.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.11 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 11/01/2006 22:55:42
Of COURSE local is not a scanner.
The scanner gives you shipnames and shiptypes.
Local gives you pilot names.
Utterly different.
And I'm interested in debating IF the change should happen, not how to impliment it, as I've explained again and again.
And the word is "relentless" :)
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.12 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 12/01/2006 13:36:32
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: El**** Ethenwe
Why change local ?
Because even Oveur agrees it sucks.
No, he said it was not intended to be used in the way it has. There is a world of difference and your take on it is flat-out lying on your part.
You are STILL trying to take it as agreed that everyone thinks a change is needed.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.16 00:01:00 -
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Or you can jump camp the way in 23/7, and push your borders foward to chokepoints, because if you pull in too much your PvPers will get bored and tear your alliance apart in 2 weeks.
Your eve history lessons are lacking, Rells.
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"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.16 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Or you can jump camp the way in 23/7, and push your borders foward to chokepoints, because if you pull in too much your PvPers will get bored and tear your alliance apart in 2 weeks.
Your eve history lessons are lacking, Rells.
You are always predicting the destruction of the world if people dont follow your specific advice. You remind me of Elida in the Wheel of Time books.
People will adapt and the game will adapt ot fill any created holes. Things like sensor grids deployable in internal space are just one of many ideas.
Then post the ideas, congruent with the idea to remove local.
The times I've been "wrong" in a prediction - quite a few times - are when CCP have pulled the amazing "oh hey, we didn't tell you about half the idea".
Some of us predicted Exodus's reverse effect, and I for one DON'T want that to happen again.
People will adapt to *changes*
Wholesale removal of functionality is not a change, and it will get rid of players in droves.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:10:00 -
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Necro more?
I'd like to pod you for that.
Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.02.10 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/02/2006 13:53:14
Yea, because people need to know the moment someone starts lookign for them with no idea they're arround!
At least local means the attacker has SOME idea there are actually people to find before wasting probes. You'd force ALL PvP to stargates on economic grounds.
Oh, and let's not forget the fact that you now can get nice detailed information of where the enemy scout trying to get his people through unsafe space is! Woo!
Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command |
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